Traced vectors from the show are great to learn from, and I don't think artists should be dissuaded from uploading them to show their methods of improvement, but I feel that artwork submitted to groups should be the artists' own original work. People join groups to see new art; we can all watch the show ourselves!
First comes the rant... <<Well, as far as I'm seeing this, there're many people who're whining over nonsense. You can't go "hurr they're stealing others' ideas by tracing their characters durr" when you're making MLP-related art 24/7. For example, drawing Fluttershy in any way, shape or form would be considered stealing by these crybabies if they had a little bit of coherence with what they're arguing about.>>
... and then comes what I think about this: <<Tracing, as well as any other kind of fanart, cannot be considered stealing as long as they remain as a non-profit activity. Of course, credit should be given to the original makers (Hasbro-Faust, in the MLP: FiM case), and a link to the original picture should be given as well. Furthermore, every single kind of fanart, and even art-thievery (of which I'm totally against), should be taken by the original creators as an opportunity to get some free publicity (after all, art-stealing is way quite easy to identify, and people who see the "stolen" picture will eventually go to the original creator to see more of his/her art).>>
tl;dr I do totally support traced vectors here, as I consider them just another kind of fanart.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! TRACINGS ARE UNCREATIVE, UNORIGINAL AND STUPID. PEOPLE WHO MAKE TRACED VECTORS HAVE NO IMAGINATION AT ALL. I made a traced vector of rainbow dash and I got good feedback... My reaction: [link]
I believe tracing should be used as a learning tool, not for art. For example, if i traced someone else's art from deviantart, i would get banned. The animation in the show is still someones art, and therefore should not be traced. Though making vectors does require talent and effort, one is still tracing without the original creators permission. This makes it stealing.
This is a question of wanting better, more original art versus wanting less drama. If folks have their art taken down because there's suspicion it's a digital tracing, then there are going to be some flames. If mods are prepared to deal with that that'd be great because original art and poses are great.
If not we'll deal with them.
Maybe make a folder for traces, mods? I think that'd solve it.
KawaiiKitten111Featured By OwnerJan 22, 2013Student General Artist
Tracing is for getting good at art. It's not bad, and it's not stealing. My mom's an artist and she says that tracing helps you see lines to draw. Plus, someone may have very nice coloring skills but are terrible at drawing ponies. (For a while I was bad at drawing them myself, but then I just paused the show) So that person has to trace and then color and it looks beautiful. Also someone might not know how to draw ponies, and then they trace for a while submitting art and learn from people commenting/tracing and learn how to draw it themselves. I really do support tracing. When I was little I would trace wolves from books and now I've learned how to draw them from eye.
its for pragmatism and everyone knows what the deal is. Nobody would accuse vector artists of stealing. Its more an application aspect of art. Art has real life applications and is not always could creation for creation's sake
Honestly, whenever I trace anything(I trace my own art a lot) It takes me about as long as anything else. For example, if it's my own art, I have to draw it, draw it again if I'm not satisfied, then scan it and draw it again several times until I'm satisfied with it. If it's a screenshot, I often spend hours trying to find the perfect frame to use, and even then, they tend to be really small and pixelated. Then I again trace it a billion times until I'm satisfied. and even then on both of them I'm still not done because I have to edit all of the lines and vectors and make sure they're the right colors and thicknesses and what not and then I color them with live paint. So It actually takes me longer to trace something when it isn't original. (the searching for the perfect frame bit, sorry for tangenting. )
isn't there already a group for this kind of stuff. So what is the point of this group having vectors in general when there is already a group that is based solely on MLP vectors of any kind. The simple solution affiliate with one of these groups and just tell everyone to send their vectors their. Otherwise you might aswell put in the club icon, welcome page or name "MLPfriendshipismagic" "Oldest MLP:FiM group...WE ACCEPT ALL FORMS OF VECTORS"
Actually, tracing vectors takes as much time and creativity as regular work. No matter if it's a tracing or not, art is still art. How do you learn about drawing? By tracing pictures!
I honestly think it was a terrible choice to actually allow comments on this poll because it will only cause flame wars and split the group apart... I say, do what you want, and say what you want. But when the group starts crashing down into a total flame war, don't expect me to be around.
I think you misunderstood my comment. When I meant vector artists "get shit" I meant that there are vector artists who do not trace but since the majority of them do it makes it hard for people to trust whether it was created by the person who submitted it or traced.
The subject of tracing is a volatile one and those who do trace receive a lot of hate for doing so. Those artists who use vectors are all piled together in the "tracer" group and therefore get a lot of negative attention.
And an artist, no matter the medium, is still an artist. I have never used vectors myself but it is just as hard as drawing with a pencil, stylus or mouse.
I dont like them at all. iv seen too many people claim them as their own and it just seems completly pointless. If they want to do that why dont they just take a screen capture? at lest with that they could make a meme or somthing.... but thats just my person opionion...
I am a graphic Designer. Let me tell you, people trace things. Occasionally you come across someone who wants something and you need it to be a vector, for your purpose and there is not one available. What do you do? You trace it, so you have the ability to scale it to fit your intended purpose, so that your size doesn't rely on the resolution of an image.
Now if you are just tracing say a pony from the show, and submitting your trace, then rather than being banned, they should have their own folder. Occasionally the characters make certain faces or do certain actions that are just hilarious, and if you were able to take and trace this still frame and have good looking results its still warrants being praised enough for your skill to be allowed into the group files.
Anyone who can figure out the basics of a vector program, can make a trace. Hell, Vector programs have an auto trace ability. However, it takes more than just a fast tracing to make the trace look worth a damn. So if you submit a trace, that is obvious you took the time to check each stroke weight, each color, every overlap, and everything else that goes into making a workable good vector, they yes should be allowed to post it in this group.
Like I previously mentioned, if you feel there is a problem with traces being in the group, don't ban them, just make a set of folders for them.
Technically, no matter if you make trace, or if you do a giant hand painted mural in your own style, if it involves using another's copyrighted characters, in this case MLP:Fim it's still just fanart, not your original idea. Even if you were the first person to say hey it would be awesome if Applejack was holding a machine gun, it's still just fanart, and not an original idea.
I don't care if you create it with your toes while doing a handstand while balancing atop a stack of watermelons...Traced art is still Traced art. Yes, Vector works take a lot of time to create. Yes, you need to know how to work the program to create them. No, tracing others' work is Not Creative; it's just a direct copy of something someone else created. Unless you are very clear about who you copied it from and that it is indeed a copy, it's also Art Theft. Tracing as a way to teach yourself how to draw (be it with pencil or computer program) is fine. I did that myself when I was a little kid. It's useful for learning purposes. I understand why people do it. That doesn't mean it should be allowed in this group's gallery, especially considering there is a group out there with the specific purpose of showcasing vectors.
Looking at the poll right now, the "yes it's art" peeps are in the lead. (Sad, that.) As such, perhaps the best compromise would be to do as others have already suggested and give the Vector Tracings their own folder?
For those of us who are uneducated, could you give a brief overview of what a vector trace is? I've not done any digital art, vectors, paint tool sai or photoshop so I'm rather lost when it comes to the digital art technical terms being a traditional pencil, ink, markers and paints guy.
"Vector" images are created from basic shapes, instead of pixels. So a computer generated vector image can be displayed at any size with no quality loss. That's why they are used for animation. MLP:FIM is built from a variety of vector images. If we had access to those images, tracing would not be necessary. Vectors could be pulled straight from the animation project files. However, the animation studio does not make those files publicly available for obvious reasons. So we use vectoring software to "reconstruct" images by essentially tracing a screen capture in a vectoring program. Then we have a scalable, high quality vectorized image.
Of course, vectoring software can be used to make original artwork. But this poll is specifically talking about screen traces. It's basically a reversal process. The animation is exported from flash into HD format for television and streaming. Then we the fans, who want a higher quality image, capture a screenshot and reconstruct it in a vectoring program. It's tedious work but it's more of a technical project than an artistic one.